Please tell us your story! How did you get to where you are today?
WOW where to begin! I started out in musical theatre and a band in high school – being around so much music, I just completely fell in love with songwriting and performing. Gabe and I met through our bands, and became friends about 12 years ago which is wild! I ended up studying music at university and really digging into songwriting, music production, and performance. Gabe and I started writing music together around that time and once we had written about a million songs – we launched foley and started finding our audience! Its been an incredible journey since 🙂
Why did you want to get into the music industry?
The thing I love about music is connection – it brings people together in such an important way – and being part of that was always very natural to me. I joined the music industry because I wanted to contribute to that, and meet more and more people with that same pull.
“By most metrics, women are completely dominating the industry right now and long may it last!!!”
Do you feel that higher education is a necessary step to enter the music industry?
Absolutely not! Everyone gets there on their own path – I loved studying because I met so many other musicians and they became my band members and collaborators. But, there are so many ways to cultivate relationships and I don’t believe higher education is part of that for every person.
Let’s talk about the highs vs the lows of your career. What is your greatest achievement?
I think the shows really stand out as highlights – hometown shows are always such a triumph because it feels warm and fuzzy – our last headline in Auckland, NZ was absolutely incredible. The bigger festivals or moments that seem sexier are amazing, but I think for me the importance of our hometown shows are more meaningful.
Who has been your biggest champion in your career?
My mum, my brother, and my partner have to be third equal! In different stages of my career they’ve each been incredibly important for me. I have needed them all in different ways to help build my confidence, my skills, and my devotion to the craft. I’d be lost without them all and many others!
“I don’t share anything specific about my relationship on social media and that’s something that’s always been important for my privacy. It helps me maintain my wellbeing to have some parts of my life that are truly private.”
What is the best piece of life advice you’ve ever received?
Be patient. Everyone’s in such a rush but for what? Life is long, enjoy the steps along the way, be patient and build.
What accomplishment are you the most proud of?
The Spotify EQUAL partnership was really special – I felt so proud to be part of pushing female and non binary artists to the forefront. Being an ambassador for that playlist meant the world to me. We went to New York to see the EQUAL billboard in person as well, and that gave us such a buzz – I was very proud standing there with Gabe and my mum looking up at this huge promo for not only our own project, but many many amazing female and non binary acts. Unreal
What would you tell your younger self if you could tell them anything?
Wear sunscreen x0x0
Who are your top 3 ‘artists to watch’?
What does “success” look like to you now compared to earlier in your career?
I think it’s a lot more about playing for real people and connecting around the music. Success used to be more about numbers, social media, reach – but I think that stuff is really all periphery. I want to make the best music I’ve ever made every single time, and I want to use it to connect with people that feel the same.
Tell us about your upcoming EP “Like An Actress.”
The concept of ‘Like An Actress’ is a nod to ‘Cinematic’ which is all about love and hope. This EP is very much about love, but it’s also about manifesting good things in life – friendship, loyalty, being hopeful, and believing you deserve great things.
These songs capture the feeling of summer, freedom, and ease. At the end of the day this project is about spreading joy and good energy. We want people to feel uplifted, connected and not alone when they listen and when they come to a show. These songs are all exactly that energy. They capture our spirit as friends, and as creatives.
You’re now Sydney-based, but you continue to record and collaborate in Aotearoa. Was it important for you to expand markets without severing creative roots?
We wanted to expand our experience by coming here – Australia has been the best thing for us as people and creatives. We wrote some of these songs here in Sydney but also finished them in Aotearoa – or visa versa. I think it’s important to balance new ideas with your roots so you don’t lose your footing. Our communities have spread across both countries now which just makes us even luckier than we were before!
“I have a LOT of trust in my gut and my intuition – I believe women are really tapped into their bodies so I trust that really deeply.”
What’s it like to arrive in a new industry carrying experience that isn’t immediately visible, did you ever experience doubt? If so, how did you overcome it?
Absolutely! But you have to feel the fear and do it anyway! We definitely felt a bit disconcerted and uprooted after moving – but we’re really lucky that we have each other to lean on. Over time we’ve found our people and that has really helped us to fit in. Going to shows, meeting the community in person, being part of it genuinely has been such a joy.
Do you feel the industry responds differently when women express emotional clarity rather than vulnerability?
Perhaps – I have expressed a whole lot of both! You can’t have one without the other in my opinion, as often the clarity comes after the most vulnerable times.
How have you learned to sit with slow periods in your career without mistaking them for failure?
Still learning I think – there will always be doubt and slow patches – I try to avoid comparing myself to my fellow artist as the green eyed monster is a rough one. Not looking at the numbers especially with streaming and social media is hard, but if you can avoid it I think it’s better for mental health and helps you ride the slow waves. It also makes me work harder which is never a bad thing! The music industry is so much about resilience
What’s something about being a woman in the music industry that you didn’t anticipate when you first started?
When I started it felt like there weren’t as many women in the industry – it was so male dominated – and I never anticipated the way that women would completely take over. By most metrics, women are completely dominating the industry right now and long may it last!!!
What boundaries have been most important for you in maintaining both your wellbeing and your creative output?
I don’t share anything specific about my relationship on social media and that’s something that’s always been important for my privacy. It helps me maintain my wellbeing to have some parts of my life that are truly private.
“Everyone gets there on their own path.”
As a woman fronting a project, how long did it take for you to fully trust your voice?
Again – still working on it! I have a LOT of trust in my gut and my intuition – I believe women are really tapped into their bodies so I trust that really deeply. I think it’s also really important to have trusted people around you with your best in mind. It helps me trust myself to have loyal and kind people around me that help me tease out how I feel.
What can we look forward to for 2026? Anything you can let us in on?
We have soooo much music and so many shows coming – and we’ve worked really hard to make the music feel great live. I CANNOT WAIT to keep playing across Australia and meeting more pop music lovers who want to boogie. Lets dance baby!
What’s your go-to Karaoke song?
Any and all ABBA